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  • #16
    Deslock
    Darth Beratter

    Congrads MDG for wanting to better yourself, working hard, and to be willing to learn to make yourself better, and be a better human being.

    I don't have a degree, the only college I went to besides art school is the best school of all, the school of hard knocks. Knowledge is cool and good, but wisdom and experience is above the best thing you can have.

    You now have a degree, and that's great. But that also puts you in the same place as countless of thousands of your peers. ND gave you some damn good advice there. Take it to heart. I MEAN IT !

    Be smart. Work hard. But most of all when your on an interview like ND said, the best thing you can remember is that you're there to sell them a productive product that will benefit their company, and that product is YOU.

    That's right...

    YOU. Yourself. The one and only you.

    Be confident, but not arrogant. They will see thru that shit a million miles away. It's okay to be confident, but most of all, just be most of all......

    Be honest.

    Show them that you believe in yourself, but also that you're humble enough to admit that you don't know everything, but that you want to grow yourself into being a better, more knowledgeable person; that just wants to help yourself, and in turn help them be better and productive. Prove to them that by hiring you instead of someone else, you'll support them 100% and can them the very best you can, if they're also willing to take a chance on you. That it's a win-win scenario for everyone involved.

    Be brave.

    The last three jobs I got was just because I walked in cold (as in they were not hiring at the time), asked to speak to "the head dude in charge". One was a head of a very major grocery store here in the U.S.. I gave him my resume, and told him point blank that I needed a job, and that I thought that I could really help them out due to my over 16 years of retail management. I admitted that I didn't know crap how grocery stores worked, but I DID know how to make customers happy, and had even received letters of commendation from the CEO's of three corporations that I formerly worked for. And I had the letters to prove it, and could show them to him right there.

    He called me back, and I had to interview both with him and his district manager after the drug and credit tests came back clean. The interview was hard, I'm not even going to lie. They asked me some hard questions, and I answered back as best and truly honestly that I could.

    After the interview was done, they agreed and hired me right on the spot, as the DM told me, strictly because I was honest, and didn't try to bullshit them, and that they really appreciated it.

    I told them straight out that I did have an extensive retail sales background, but that I didn't know crap about how grocery stores run, but if they hired me, I'd do the damnedest hard job I could to learn how they do things, and honestly try my best to be my best, and help them and their customers. And I truly meant it.

    MDG, if you want work in the field you want, like ND said network. Communication is key. If you want to work for them, let them know, and why you want to work for them. And if they do hire you, commit to them, because they were willing to give you a chance. They deserve that also in return. They took a chance on you, now it's up to you to prove that they made they right decision by hiring you; and give it back in return.

    Sometimes opportunity knocks for those that knock on the door first.

    Be brave. Be strong. Believe in yourself, and be willing to show the people that you want to work for why you're the best man for the job. It can be scary, yes.

    But if you do it right, both you and your employer can win for everyone involved.

    You have to make yourself stand out. Remember, the product that you're selling is yourself. And if you believe in yourself, no one can do that better than you. Most of all, the best advice I can give is to just be simply honest.

    Know your own strong points and weak points, and just be willing to admit to them.

    God bless you my friend, and best of all to you and yours.

    Des.


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    • #17
      RaceDriver53
      Honorary DSA
      • Aug 2007
      • 431

      Congrats MDG!
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      • #18
        Hogezz
        Honorary DSA
        • Jan 2009
        • 1543

        As someone who also speaks more than one language, try to put yourself in a position where you can speak Chinese on a regular basis. It's easy to fall out of practice with a second language you don't use enough. You could teach Chinese, or even English to Chinese.
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        • #19
          mdg60
          Honorary DSA
          • Nov 2009
          • 394

          I want to thank everyone for putting in the time to add a few words of advice in helping me with this subject. Des, I can always count on you to say what you mean, and mean what you say. I thought that being blunt and honest was going to be a handicap in today's world, but it's good to know that it still counts fro something.

          A lot of you have brought up maybe teaching in China. To most that would be fun to do, but with people who are in the position I am in that's not really an option. What I mean is I have been over there, in fact that's where I learned my Chinese, and all of the teachers that I met who taught English were Americans who were white and were kinda perverts. It's very easy for a guy if he is white and has an American passport to get any girl he wants in China, so it carries a negative stigma.

          As for keeping up with my language skills, I skype with a bunch of people I met in Taiwan every week so I am able to keep it up. The characters are what gives me problems. I can read them just fine, but remembering how to write 5,000 different characters kinda sucks big time.

          As for the alumni, I hadn't really thought of that. I'm definitely going to be checking out the clubs and linkedin groups to see if I can't get a few contacts. I've also set up an appointment with a counselor to look over my resume and practice some interview questions. All of my friends that have graduated have gotten jobs, but it has taken about 6 months on average for them to get jobs, so I feel a sense of urgency to get started now so I can have a job for when I graduate.

          Anyway, thanks again guys for the great advice and if you think of anything else don't be afraid to chime in.
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          • #20
            FunkyFaulc
            Civilian
            • Mar 2009
            • 711

            Congrats Mdg. It's a long time huh?

            I highly recommend reading the book "48 days to the work you love" by Dan Miller. A good read for anyone looking for a position that is really the "right fit" for them. It has a bunch of great job search and interview strategies, but it's main purpose is to help the individual really take inventory of their skills, abilities, education, and history to expand your options and ideally put yourself on a path to do what you love.

            Even though you just got your degree, don't forget that you have a whole life of experiences that have shaped you. If you are short on traditional "jobs" then just focus on your skills and describe what you've done. Companies want result oriented people rather than people with long job histories.


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            • #21
              Deslock
              Darth Beratter

              Mdg, all I can say is to be true and honest to yourself.

              Be willing to be able to take chances. Be willing to be brave and promote yourself.

              To just believe in yourself and what life can offer you.

              There are sometimes when life can be totally brutal, and unforgiving.

              There are very hard decisions that only you can make for yourself.

              That's just how hard life can be.

              Once you make a decision, it can show how the rest of your life can play out for the very last of your life until the end.

              Try to be wise, be kind, and remember that the life we have is a gift from God. Make the most of it that you can. You only get one ride on this "Merry go round" that we all call existence.

              Make it count, and be worthwhile.

              That is what will make you immortal, and remembered by everyone in your family; and make you truly beloved by you and yours.

              Think hard, and do the the very best you can; the rest will fall into place, God willing.

              Just be willing to believe in yourself, and do the very best that you can do.

              No one could ask for more.
              Last edited by Deslock; 06-28-2012, 02:43 AM.


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              • #22
                Deslock
                Darth Beratter

                One thing I was thinking about MDG, is that if you're that good at the Chinese language, have you given thought to maybe checking out any government/military job options ?.

                If you could get a job with Uncle Sugar, you'd have it made in the shade. Civilian advisors/translators make some damn good money, and you'd be helping your country. FBI, ATF, CIA, and military outlets are always looking for good people.

                As I said before, most people do not realise that when they're being interviewed; is that you are the product that you're trying to sell them. You have to be an awesome salesman for yourself; and to remember that any job you take shoudn't be a dead end. The job you decide to take should help you get more experience in the field you desire. You're helping them by giving them your hard work. Make sure your getting more than just a paycheck in return from them. Some times it's okay to take a lower paying job for now, if it gets "your foot in the door" to be able to rise up to higher paying positions you want later. Just like how many "A" list actors started out doing crappy TV commercials. To make yourself better does indeed take very hard work, determination, and direction, just like ND said. Bill Gates was turned down many, many times, but he believed in himself. Just like George Lucas.

                Guess who got the last laugh..? :D

                Hell, even Todd Mcfarlane said that when he started doing art and wanted to draw comic books, he quite openly said that he could wallpaper his entire house with all the rejection letters he recieved, but he kept chugging on, and finally Marvel gave him a chance.

                He's now a multi millionaire with his own company.

                If they did it, you can too. :D
                Last edited by Deslock; 07-04-2012, 12:48 AM.


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                • #23
                  JDEZ09
                  Honorary DSA
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 1825

                  I just wanted to put my two cents since were on the matter. I quickly noticed how versatile DSA really is. I mean look at us. Were a group of sharp, intelligent individuals with a common nack for a little gaming. It makes the overall chemistry of DSA even more prestigous.

                  A little bit about myself: currently i maintain a 3.5 gpa. I have two semesters left before recieving my associates of applied science with a focus on Nanotechnology. Nanotech is a multidisciplinary field thats already revolutionizing electronics and soon to be the norm photonics. After my internship there are, plenty of job placement programs, especially for nano jobs in san antonio. I will continue my studies at UTSA where the director of the nano program is also the director of sony here in this area. He showed us how electronics like the PS4 will likely integrate photonics in the hardware to have internet speeds literally thousands x's faster than the broadband cables used now.

                  Exciting stuff:) any questions about my field feel free to ask.

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                  • #24
                    JDEZ09
                    Honorary DSA
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 1825

                    UTSA is also working with the top university in china currently for advancements in a product that will target cancer cells with "Nano" precision. Biomedical research is an iffy subject imo when it comes to nanotech. But i like the potential with the research, so long as it doesnt get out of hand morally.

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                    • #25
                      hecx2370
                      Civilian
                      • May 2012
                      • 333

                      That's awesome dude.

                      It's amazing how many people think we do nothing but play games, eat chips and drink soda ... :)

                      Originally posted by JDEZ09
                      I just wanted to put my two cents since were on the matter. I quickly noticed how versatile DSA really is. I mean look at us. Were a group of sharp, intelligent individuals with a common nack for a little gaming. It makes the overall chemistry of DSA even more prestigous.

                      A little bit about myself: currently i maintain a 3.5 gpa. I have two semesters left before recieving my associates of applied science with a focus on Nanotechnology. Nanotech is a multidisciplinary field thats already revolutionizing electronics and soon to be the norm photonics. After my internship there are, plenty of job placement programs, especially for nano jobs in san antonio. I will continue my studies at UTSA where the director of the nano program is also the director of sony here in this area. He showed us how electronics like the PS4 will likely integrate photonics in the hardware to have internet speeds literally thousands x's faster than the broadband cables used now.

                      Exciting stuff:) any questions about my field feel free to ask.

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                      • #26
                        mdg60
                        Honorary DSA
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 394

                        Nano stuff is pretty cool. I've always been interested in stuff like that, but unfortunately I absolutely hate math. I really hate it. That's why I went into Econ. Kudos to you for pursuing that field.
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                        • #27
                          JDEZ09
                          Honorary DSA
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 1825

                          Thanks, i dont care much for math either but it does get interesting when the numbers that are in the formulas are yours to tweak, and those things affect what you can create at an atomic level. For example. Take gold for instance. When in its subatomic size, its magnetic to the point where it absorbs energy from light.

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                          • #28
                            mdg60
                            Honorary DSA
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 394

                            And you can create it from mercury by just adding a little energy.
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                            • #29
                              JDEZ09
                              Honorary DSA
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 1825

                              True, diamond is also easy to make. It all depends on the structure of the molecules.

                              But yea photonics is definately PS4 worthy. Sony Japan actually copywrighted the technology because it was discovered in the early 2000s. Giving them time to make all the money from everything were using now. And its just a matter of time before they decide to bring it out and when they do ooh boy. If you think graphics are good now well then this shits gonna be crazy.


                              Games are going to be ALOT better than you can even concieve right now. Thats all i can really say.

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                              • #30
                                JDEZ09
                                Honorary DSA
                                • Jul 2009
                                • 1825

                                For any software programmers on the forums. Just imagine a nanoprocessor thats 10,000 times more powerful than the cell processor in the PS3. This means more jobs in the industry to compensate for the time its gonna take to create these games. Not a bad career to get into... might even have to declare a minor:)

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