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  • NotRob
    Honorary DSA
    • May 2007
    • 43

    "We're gonna have to call your parents"-->Renamed*

    Just saw this and felt that it needed to be shared:
    headline: Family Sues School District After Son Gets Detention for Wearing T-Shirt With Gun Image

    Here's the picture of the "offending" shirt that the kid wore:




    A 14-year-old Pennsylvania schoolboy is fighting back after being sent to detention for wearing a T-shirt bearing the image of a gun in honor of his uncle fighting in Iraq.

    Officials at Penn Manor High School in Millersville, Pa., gave Donald Miller III two days of detention in December after he refused to turn his shirt inside out. But Donald and his parents say the shirt is a symbol of patriotism, and they've taken the case to federal court.

    Donald's shirt showed a military weapon and the words "Volunteer Homeland Security" on the front. The back of the shirt displayed the words "Special Issue — Resident — Lifetime License — United States Terrorist Hunting Permit — Permit No. 91101 Gun Owner — No Bag Limit" over another image of the weapon.

    Miller said he wore the shirt in honor of his uncle, Brian Souders, who is serving in Iraq and who gave it to Miller as a gift.

    Donald and Tina Miller filed a federal freedom of speech lawsuit in January against the school district, saying it violated their son's First Amendment rights.

    "Donald Miller wears the T-shirt to make the political and emotional statement that he supports his uncle, and all our armed forces, as they bravely exercise their duty to defend this great nation," Miller's attorney, Leonard G. Brown III, wrote in the federal complaint cited in the Sunday News.

    The school district is defending its decision, saying it needs to keep students safe during a time of school shootings.

    Kevin French, an attorney for Penn Manor, said the school district must create a safe environment, and Miller's T-shirt violated school policy.

    "Students who come to school enjoy limited First Amendment rights," French told the Sunday News. "But the school district has the right to enforce policies that protect students."

    A federal judge will review this case on March 31.




    Lets review the important info in this article, shall we?

    Donald and his parents say the shirt is a symbol of patriotism, and they've taken the case to federal court.
    ---The parents are either white trash or have white trash values
    ------Thusly, it should come as no surprise that they've bestowed this upon their son


    Miller said he wore the shirt in honor of his uncle, Brian Souders, who is serving in Iraq and who gave it to Miller as a gift.
    -The uncle can't really be serious about that shirt being used in his (or anyone else's honor). They still use some kind of screening tests for military service, don't they?

    ---If the uncle had given it as an item to be worn in his honor (and truly believed that) then the uncle is obviously a blood-relative and they all pull from the same gene pool.

    ------That gene pool is a real pool. It's in the grandpa's double-wide


    The lawyer's statement:
    "Donald Miller wears the T-shirt to make the political and emotional statement that he supports his uncle, and all our armed forces, as they bravely exercise their duty to defend this great nation," Miller's attorney, Leonard G. Brown III, wrote in the federal complaint cited in the Sunday News.

    ---If he actually spoke that line with a straight face... god bless him for being the only person using rationality. Sure, its his rationality, which is based upon whether he gets paid or not, but its still proof of a thought process where your start at A, think about it, go to B, think about, and then end up at C.



    No no no, I thought, people like that don't exist in a form where I can be exposed to them so readily. I know they exist, they're everywhere, and that's fine. God Bless America...



    ...but c'mon!


    -Don't get me wrong.
    -My confusion/anger has nothing to do war/peace/bush/iraq/etc...
    -I just can't cope with people who make statements like (anything that appeared in the article).
    -Patriotic actually means something to most, it certainly does to me.
    -Not "liberal patriotic" either, I'm talking about god damn pride.
    -This is America... This is the country that when Perl Harbor was bombed by the Japs we hit them back 15 kiloton-fold.


    -To say that Volunteer Homeland Security - Special Issue - United States Terrorist Hunting Permit has patriotic value is to actively choose not to actually think about this country's history.... any of it!!!


    I even went as far as to check whether this family really could be plain degenerative white trash. I did a Google map search of the damn High School.


    <img src="http://www.darksidealliance.com/gallery/files/2/7/3/7/notwhitetrash.JPG" alt="NotWhiteTrash" />

    No, this school stands at a nexus of a Golf Course, a moderately sized University, three small parks, and a god-damned country club.

    No, I know that the Beverly Hillbillies don't have real world comparisons that correspond so well to southern Pennsylvania. If anything they'd be half redneck and half Amish... for ****'s sake they're living in Lancaster County (one of the centers of Amish America!)

    If we took that kid's father and sat him down in a chair, then took an Amish guy and sat him down next to him...
    ...the very fabric of space-time would begin to unravel I sh*t you not.


    -Its exactly like when you were a kid playing with two magnets that would try to repel each other, if you tried to align them along the same pole....
    ---Only this with is: (1) person who willfully chooses ignorance over understanding, regardless of the topic, and who will actually resist knowledge, rationality, and basic logic if presented to him.
    ----& (1) person who is Amish.


    Its like frickin' Bosons and Fermions!. Ya know, like quantum states in flux (meaning you don't know if the situation is now spinning up, down, or sideways. Throw in Schroedinger's cat for good measure and you got yourself one unstable reality about to collapse on itself...

    ...Welcome to my world. I read FoxNews.
    20
    They forced you to take off something that they didn't like (clothing, piercing, etc...)
    25.00%
    5
    They sent you home/detention because of clothing/piercing/tatoo
    10.00%
    2
    They suspended your badass for clothing/etc...
    5.00%
    1
    They expelled your badass for clothing/etc...(wicked skull tattoo on your forehead!)
    0.00%
    0
    They sent you away because of your civil unrest
    0.00%
    0
    You actively made life difficult for the administration
    15.00%
    3
    You organized protests/fire-bombings!
    0.00%
    0
    Your civil/constitutional rights were violated ("he touched me there")
    5.00%
    1
    You violated others' civil/constitutional rights (like that kid you kept locked in your basement)
    5.00%
    1
    You often played chicken w/ James Dean, that's how badass you were (in that 1955 kinda way)
    35.00%
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  • #2
    NotRob
    Honorary DSA
    • May 2007
    • 43

    I just went outside, had a cigarette, calmed down, and now I'm back.

    Let me do some damage control:

    1) No this doesn't quite conform to the basic forum rules... but trust me guys... for me to invoke them on anyone you'd have to be waaaaay outta bounds. I honestly doubt that I'd ever have to actually "moderate" this place. Plus, I don't want to.

    --NotRob's corner is for arguing about ****!



    2) This article does bring up (loosely) the issue of what rights a High School student (or Elementary or JHS, for that matter) actually has. I'm assuming that its gonna vary from State to State somewhat, but I do know that the primary way administrators can easily restrict Freedom of Speech is by stating that their actions (to silence someone) were taken to preserve a beneficial "learning environment" (thanks to Tinker vs. Des Moines)

    lemme re-word that:

    -A school can restrict a student's 1st Amendment rights if the actions of that student, in some way, "disturb the learning process."

    ---From the article posted above: The school district is defending its decision, saying it needs to keep students safe during a time of school shootings.

    ------If school administrators just told the kid that his shirt (somehow, or in any way) disturbed the learning process he cannot wear it. If the kid brought the school to court it might have just gotten thrown out immediately (because they're allowed to restrict 1st amendment rights for that reason). Or at least the kid would lose the case if it went to trial.

    Unfortunately because no case has gone to federal court where a student's 1st amendment rights were restricted by a school for safety concerns and then won (like they did for "preserving the learning process"), this will not be an easy win for them. Simply put, there's no precedence. (If I'm wrong about this someone tell me, I can't find contradicting info online.)

    -----------------------------------
    Let me ask you guys, what do you know about "students' rights" and/or violations thereof.
    --If you got any stories ---> rant away ->

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    • #3
      Zabka
      Imperial Guard
      • Nov 2004
      • 4956
      • DSA Zabka

      I was thinking the same thing when I read this article. Students don't have the same first amendment rights that adults do when they are on school grounds. I have/had no idea what case determined that, but I remember learning that years ago.

      And I agree. I am just sick and tired of certain types defining what is the standard of patriotism and dumbing it down to stupid ass t-shirts and meaningless gestures.
      You're the best! Around! Nothings gonna ever keep you down!


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      • #4
        jmhc74
        Honorary DSA
        • Dec 2007
        • 2433

        Hey, this is about an hour and a half west of where I live - and I don't remember hearing about this!?!?!?!?!
        sigpic

        A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. ― Alexis de Tocqueville

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        • #5
          thatgirlkim
          Honorary DSA
          • Mar 2007
          • 471
          • TgK60

          Sorry.. here comes the "mom" view...lol
          You want to support the troops.. wear a more appropriate t shirt....plain and simple....

          Granted, they've put some more restrictions on kids then when I was in school... but styles and graphics have changed.. hence the more restrictions....

          As for kids not having the same "rights" as adults.... excuse me, but how many of you have a dress code for work??

          'nuff said.... :)
          “Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There's too much fraternizing with the enemy.” - Henry Kissinger

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          • #6
            EVILMRSPOCK
            Honorary DSA

            Idea

            we should just invent the all-temp biosuit; the advertisment goes: enjoy full body protection with comfort and style!

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