Absolut Vodka anti US ad?

[Rdaug27]

STORY HERE

"In no way was this meant to offend or disparage, nor does it advocate an altering of borders, nor does it lend support to any anti-American sentiment, nor does it reflect immigration issues," a spokeswoman wrote on Absolut's Web site.

Ummm what?

[Inlimbo]

[AndyPants]

We stole this land. Why would anybody cry over the fact that we are reminded of it now and then. People are far too patriotic to a country that doesn't give a **** about them.

[NotRob]

its not Anti-US...

...its just pro 1840's Mexico


¡El sur se levantará otra vez!

[RaTix]

I think it's important not to confuse Government with Country.

[Gino]

We stole this land. Why would anybody cry over the fact that we are reminded of it now and then. People are far too patriotic to a country that doesn't give a **** about them.

People are too liberal on this crap. Its been the case since the dawn of humanity. People killing others for land. Only the strong will survive. All of our ancesters have killed over land. that's what most wars have been about.

[CHRIST]

At least we paid for it since we felt guilty for bullying them into a war they couldn't win.

[Rdaug27]

All this ad does is pander to the people who agree with the idea that "the United States should return to Mexico huge chunks of that country's territories it acquired more than a century ago." (Fidel Castro) It is known by some as "The Aztlan Movement."

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

Maybe Eagleone can help me out with this, but a wide belief from many Mexicans is that they will take back Texas and California without firing a shot. I believe it was one of the former Presidents of Mexico that actually made that statement.

At least we paid for it since we felt guilty for bullying them into a war they couldn't win.

Texas won its independence from Mexico, it wasn't purchased. Santa Anna was captured and forced to sign the Treaties of Velasco which recognized Texas's independence (which Mexico never did) and guaranteed Santa Anna's life. In 1845 Texas joined the US, and since Mexico never officially recognized Texas as independent, it considered Texas a rebel province.
Disputed Territory

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo ended the Mexican-American War, and gave the territories in red to the US. The only purchased land is also illustrated.



If you want to consider all of that "theft" well maybe. :p

from Wikipedia

Though disturbed by Santa Anna’s turn, Austin and the settlers had backed Santa Anna in his bid for power and now wanted to capitalize on it. Austin therefore traveled to Mexico City with a petition asking for separate statehood from Coahuila, a better judicial system, and the repeal of the April 6 law that had caused the First Anahuac and Velasco Disturbances (1832), among other things. They were all approved except for separate statehood. Despondent over not getting Texas separated from Coahuila, he wrote an angry letter to a friend, which seemed to encourage rebellion. Mexican officials intercepted the letter, and Austin was arrested for sedition. He spent 18 months in prison.

The number of immigrants entering Texas quickly escalated. Santa Anna believed that the influx of immigrants to Texas was part of a plot by the U.S. to take over the region. In 1834, because of perceived troubles within the Mexican government, Santa Anna went through a process of dissolving state legislatures, disarming state militias, and abolishing the Constitution of 1824. To make matters worse, he imprisoned some cotton plantation owners who refused to raise their assigned crops. These actions triggered outrage throughout the nation of Mexico. The country then became divided between Centralists, who backed Santa Anna’s dictatorship, and Federalists, who wanted the Constitution of 1824 re-instituted. Santa Anna then ordered all unauthorized settlers out of Texas.

So was it the more settlers than he planned that that led him to war, or was it the abolishing of the constitution that made the people fight, I guess the argument can be used on both sides.

Much of Mexico led by the states of Yucatan, Zacatecas, and Coahuila, promptly rose in revolt of Santa Anna's actions. Santa Anna spent two years suppressing the revolts. Under the Liberal banner, the Mexican state of Zacatecas revolted against Santa Anna. The revolt was brutally crushed in May 1835. As a reward, Santa Anna allowed his soldiers two days of rape and pillage in the capital city of Zacatecas; civilians were massacred by the thousands. Santa Anna also looted the rich Zacatecan silver mines at Fresnillo, and as further punishment, he split Zacatecas into a smaller state, separating an independent agricultural territory, Aguascalientes. This was to become a disturbing tendency Santa Anna would employ on those he regarded as traitors. He then ordered his brother-in law, General Martin Perfecto de Cos, to march into Texas and put an end to disturbances against the state.

The fight for independence from Mexico didn't start in Texas, nor was it just Texas seeking independence from Mexico.

Anyone cans see that just the reverse is happening today. Mexicans are settling in the same areas, and I feel will once again have the land back. It won't officially be a part of Mexico as far as the border is concerned. It will still be part of the US, but will be, for lack of a better term, owned and ruled (through local elections and such) by Mexicans. That is why securing the border is such a big issue in the South, but the US is too slow to act, and I feel we are too late.

[EagleOne]

Well if memory serves me correctly, Texas was not part of the US but an independent nation to itself. Texans fought for Texas with the help of Mexicans.

California, New Mexico and Texas were first territories of Spain and were lost in the war against Mexico in 1821 thus becoming Mexican territories.Then in 1836 the Texan Revolution had erupted. Santa Anna got his ass handed to him at the battle of San Jacinto causing him to sign over Texas and recoginze the Rio Grande as the border between Texas and Mexico. Texas consolidated its position as an independent republic by establishing diplomatic ties with Britain, France, and the United States. Dec.28,1845 Texas was annexed by the US thus commencing the Mexican American War were we won the rest of the territories north of the Rio Grande.

A little research sometimes does help

[Capthemfoos]

It does show that Mexicans are becoming a little ignorant about them waltzing past the border with little or no resistance. Its funny how we can be concerned about international attacks on our home ground but not even secure our own domestic borders. Pants, you are also right on the money.

[jmhc74]

Who Cares!! This is life or may I say this is how human nature is!! What are we going to give back our land to the Indians!! I tell you what when you really think about it, it really was in Mexico's best interest to have the US take/buy/steal or however you slice it those territories. The outcome of 20th century would have been totally different. Living here on the east coast I probably would be speaking German if it wasn't for our "Manifest Destiny" policy of the 18th/19th Century.

[Rdaug27]

Well I care. Knowing how the land was acquired might give some insight as to why an increasing number of the Mexican population wants the land back. Texas was gained just like the original colonies, through war. Texans fought against Mexico, US or the colonies, fought against Britain. To say one was stolen and not the other is in my opinion wrong. If we want to look at it from that prospective, well then we all need to pack up and head back to Europe (and elsewhere) and give the land back to the original owners the Indians. Their might have been a conspiracy to take over the land from the beginning, but it would not have happened if Santa Anna would not have allowed US citizens to settle in Texas in the first place. Once they were in, and he tried to “re-take” control, that’s when the fighting started. Fast forward to today with the immigration issue. There are too many Mexican immigrants that have “settled” in the US than can be counted. What will happen when the US tries to “re-take” control? What better way for the Mexican people to “reclaim” their land than by just populating it?

It is a “movement” that has been going on for quite a while, and is very popular evident by companies trying to say “we support you” by doing something simple like using a map from the 1800’s. That’s a good advertisement campaign is it not? To play with a popular opinion to get your product sold? The fact that this “movement” is not widely known about by the average US household, gives the company deniability, which they are trying to use here.