Bear Grylls vs Les Stroud

[EagleOne]

Seeing that the topic lit a fire under alot of asses, a thread needed to be started to name a victor.

Who is the better of the two:

Bear Grylls (Man vs. Wild)
or
Les Stroud (Survivorman)

The two are well known on the discovery channel for their shows about getting out of survival situation. I believe Bear is the better of the two since he actually shows you different methods that work such as finding you direction using your watch, different ways to start a fire.

Les simply shows you he is a putz. He is always out of water, out of food and only needs to last seven days before they pick him up. Almost always he tries to catch food but always fails. I really don't care if he can barely last for 7 days, I want to know what to do if my ass is ever lost or in a ten line bine. Bear shows you what to do if you are stuck in a mud hole, or how to scale a cliff, navigate at night, thing that are actually useful instead of "Man, I haven't ate in three days, let me play my harmonica".
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[thedooku]

Obviously you don't care if it's real or not.
Bear has a camera crew, production crew, safety crew, vehicles, hotels...etc.
Les does is SOLO. I don't care what Bear "shows" you as far as survival techniques....since he's not actually SURVIVING. He's making a television show that hardly applies to real life survival situations.
You have no supplies, food, or water when you get into a survival situation...that's what Les actually DOES. He is ALONE, SURVIVING...hence the name "survivor man"
Les doesn't drink filtered elephant shit water, because there is almost no real life scenario when that would be necessary, sanitary, or even sane.
Les is a survivor
Bear is a TV show host...hence a giant pussy, in comparison :D

[Capthemfoos]

Ok, it breaks down as follows.

Bear show you what to do, but probably isn't in the dire straits he makes himsef out to be since he has a whole crew.

Les shows you how to pass time in the wild, but I don't really learn anything from his shows. People always come and rescue him.

Both of them are fakes, as true survival means not knowing what is going to happen and how long you are going to be out. but since Bear actually teaches me things instead of just sitting on his ass, I vote for him.

[thedooku]

I have learned numerous lessons from Les: starting a fire with/without some flint, finding your direction with the sun/stars, building shelters/rafts, keeping animals away, finding consumable food and water.

I have seen the majority of survivor man episodes and at least a couple dozen man vs wild shows. I'm quite confused how you can say Les doesn't show you anything valuable...yet Bear does?!?!

I know I won't have a production/rescue crew with me if I get into one of those situations....So I would certainly follow Les's strategy of surviving while moving to a location where rescue is more likely. There is no chance I would take the risks Bear does, knowing I'm alone. If you get injured or sick...you're done....Bear doesn't worry about that, Les does.

[EagleOne]

If you diodn't know, Les carries a satellite phone for if he gets in trouble sitting on his ass.

[RageProphetXIII]

Also I think Bear only has ONE other person with him and an HD cam. He does get himself into some crazy places they can't afford to have a whole crew walking about just filming him. Les is cool too but he try's catching the weirdest shit to eat like rats in the desert. I'd go for scorpions or snakes. I lived in the desert there are more snakes than rats. but I like Bear better he's willing to at least jump into some quick sand and show you how to get out of that.

[thedooku]

Just so you know:
Bear sleeps in hotels/motels when he is allegedly "surviving" on his show.
He gets LOTS of assistance from his crews. (One of them caught the samon he ate in the Alaska episode, another one was in the bear suit on the grizzly episode....yes BEAR SUIT...not real bear, the worms he ate were caught for him, the raft he 'built' was constructed by contractors then dismantled so he could 'build' it on camera, etc.)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242007/news/nationalnews/grylls_thrills_bogus__expert_nationalnews_don_kaplan.htm

[EagleOne]

I just think you like Les because he's canadian bacon

[RageProphetXIII]

Ha Ha that's funny EagleOne. Yeah there are things that make completely no sense on the show. There is no way you are gonna catch a wild horse and ride the thing. I'm not saying he's a fake or real but it's just a better edited show. Les is cool cuz he just out there on his own.

Anyone want to help me put on a real survivor show. Urban Survivor. No money, No car, No Technology. but we must find a ways to get to the best parties and get money for beer and food. And try to find ways to get cleaned up and for shelter we need to find a pair of honeys to go crash with....ha

[thedooku]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qyKyWaNEQ"]YouTube - Man vs. Hotel: Bear Grylled[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is"]YouTube - Re: Man Vs. Wild, Bear Grylls is a Phony[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT6Bh3A0Fu0&feature=related"]YouTube - Man vs wild: behind the scenes (Real Footage)[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpCkhqJs2tc&feature=related"]YouTube - Man vs Wild Fraud : Bear Grylls caught on tape[/ame] (last one's my favorite :D)

[RageProphetXIII]

OK OK so maybe I don't' know what i'm talking about.....Thanks Dooku....for letting me know how uninformed I truly am.....ha

[Brocman]

I like Rage's idea of Urban Survivor. But they could also have an alternate Urban Survivor where they take 20 recently paroled guys, equipped with grenade launchers and flamethrowers and hav them hunt each other down until only one man is left standing. That would be great.

"I was at the mall, shopping and all of a sudden these guys crashed through the roof and started shooting at eachother. I was so excited I didn't even notice that I had been hit. I watch Urban Survivor every day now in the hospital."

[norm]

Survivorman was all ways a better show. It was just Les and whatever place he could put himself in for a week. So on top of surviving he also had to lug around camera and sound gear. Les also made a living with his wife teaching survival training in Canada. I know it's all TV, but his points seem to be rooted more into real what to do scenarios then Bear's. I was really impressed with Les's show that took place in the SC swamps. Having been to Francis Marion National Park before I would hate to get lost out there. Much less having to survive for any amount of time.

[MajinTony]

Les is surviving as evidence by his dimensia in the second half of the show.

As far as him having GPS, god forbid he should have a way to get home in an emergency as oppossed to having 7 crew members to drive you to the nearest Denny's. He's never had to use it so far, and it obviously doesn't help him start fires and capture rats.

Besides, Bear wears his own pee and says Vitamin funny :D

[SwampDonky6]

Bear or Les?

They're both sissies... if they left me out in the bush say laying in wait, I'd hunt them down and feast off their bodies (including any and all camera men).

I'd probably even put their heads on stakes as a warning to others in the vicinity, not to mention I'd have to make a dress out of their skin.

It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again Bear! I'd probably have to rename Les' head as 'Wilson' too.